Fiji flop

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1. Kevin 1

   12 June 2016 at 10:23 am

   On one hand we have TVNZ bleating and whining about their reporter not being allowed in Fiji to report the news and on the other hand we have TVNZ doing everything they can to not report the news in this country.
   • Once Was Tim 1.1

     12 June 2016 at 12:12 pm

     Ain’t that the truth Kevin. Whilst I have the utmost sympathy for Barbara, it demonstrates the culture of celeb that pervades ‘tha nues’ (going forwid).
     They’re still full of it aren’t they?
     Really (“Ultimately”) John and Frank should just get a room somewhere at Denaru where they can just compare the size of their balls….except maybe they’d get it on and we’d all be in a worse posishun goan forwid. I think I know who would lose.
   • mary_a 1.2

     13 June 2016 at 12:47 pm

     + 100 Kevin (1)
2. adam 2

   12 June 2016 at 10:25 am

   It always funny that the so called strong negotiator, fails pretty much every time he gets on the world stage.

   Wonder how the spin team will fix this one…
   • Mosa 2.1

     13 June 2016 at 12:47 pm

     When u get right down to it Key is a flop and a failure.
     No one had their hand up his bum telling him what to say or do.
     This is the result and he has been in the job how long ? 100 years !
     Just another foreign junket at the tax payers exspence.
     Key has been talked up for so long as the Messiah that no one expects anything of substance from him.
     He is irrelevant too most kiwis and their lives and concerns.
     Hope the UN vote is not close and Helen has to rely on Fiji,s vote.
     Key has scuppered that one.
3. srylands 3

   12 June 2016 at 10:35 am

   I thought Andrew told the team to stop chasing cars. Just more negativity. What are the changes that Shearer would make to the strategy on New Zealand Fiji relations? How would he do it? Why does he think his strategy is better? Who has he tested the strategy with?

   Otherwise he is just another car chaser.

   [Cease the straw man arguments, Srylands. The post is about Key’s embarrassing failure, not your fantasies about Shearer. TRP]
   • Stuart Munro 3.1

     12 June 2016 at 10:42 am

     Be fair sorrylands – it was yet another unmitigated failure.

     But NZ just can’t lecture Fiji anymore – we have a much more corrupt and useless government right here – Frank could maybe give us a few pointers on shifting it.
     • Mosa 3.1.1

       13 June 2016 at 12:32 pm

       Love it !
4. tinfoilhat 4

   12 June 2016 at 11:10 am

   Interested to know what people think NZ’s position and strategy should be in relation to Fiji and for that matter what Fiji’s strategy should be in terms of international relations.
5. Stuart Munro 5

   12 June 2016 at 12:30 pm

   Frank is no worse than Qurase – NZ backed the wrong horse – time to normalise and apologise for ten years of ill-conceived paternalistic meddling.

   Fiji is a pro-UN power – they make bit of money from troop deployments. They should talk to everyone but avoid client state relations with self-styled great powers like the US, Russia, and China. They probably know it too.
   • red-blooded 5.1

     12 June 2016 at 2:04 pm

     Hmmm… One could be forgiven for perceiving the overthrow of a democratically elected government as”paternalistic meddling” on the part of the military.

     The situation in Fiji is complex and I don’t recall the NZ government of the time claiming any special insight into the main issues (the balance of property rights, power and culture between the various indigenous Fijian tribal froups and other (mostly Indo-)Fijians. What they did do was uphold the idea that democratically elected governments should only be replaced through democratic means. That’s not exactly unreasonable.

     A report into the shifting balance of relationships in Fiji put it like this: “In the immediate aftermath of the coup, protests against
     the military take-over were firmly suppressed. Anyone
     openly expressing anti-government sentiments was
     detained, humiliated and tortured. A number of
     indigenous Fijians died from beatings and torture at the
     hands of the police and military. The immunity decreed
     by the government has meant that members of the
     security forces have not been held accountable for gross
     violations of the human rights of citizens yet again.” http://minorityrights.org/wp-content/uploads/old-site-downloads/download-1202-Fiji-the-challenges-and-opportunities-of-diversity
     • Stuart Munro 5.1.1

       12 June 2016 at 2:25 pm

       I grant you that some eggs were broken – but the legitimacy of the regime Bainimarama’s coup toppled was also imperfect.
     • Stuart Munro 5.1.2

       12 June 2016 at 2:45 pm

       sorry – your link doesn’t seem to be up
       • r0b 5.1.2.1

         12 June 2016 at 4:28 pm

         I think its
         http://minorityrights.org/wp-content/uploads/old-site-downloads/download-1202-Fiji-the-challenges-and-opportunities-of-diversity.pdf

         Context here
         http://minorityrights.org/publications/fiji-the-challenges-and-opportunities-of-diversity-april-2013/
   • Daveosaurus 5.2

     12 June 2016 at 7:08 pm

     History is full of armed dictators who weren’t quite as bad as the regime they toppled. Fidel Castro is the most obvious example. So what is it that makes Bainimarama any better than Castro?
     • Stuart Munro 5.2.1

       12 June 2016 at 9:17 pm

       Castro executed 15,000–17,000 people – what was Bainimarama’s butcher’s bill? The amnesty for previous coup participants was a fudge operation – it would be like not executing Roger Douglas.
       • Daveosaurus 5.2.1.1

         13 June 2016 at 12:32 am

         Bainimarama’s butcher’s bill is greater than zero. Even assuming that the figure you give for Castro’s fifty years in power is correct, it is less than the 20,000 figure for Batista’s previous seven years.
         • Stuart Munro 5.2.1.1.1

           13 June 2016 at 8:44 am

           Yes, I get that even one is wrong – but so too is letting original coup perpetrators off the hook. Putting Bainimarama in the same box as brutal military dictators doesn’t wash – his kill count is three orders of magnitude less because he simply wasn’t as brutal, and there was a substantial level of support for his position.

           My understanding is that the NZ position was influenced by the murders of in Fiji of New Zealand Red Cross worker John Scott and his partner Greg Scrivener – which were not a matter of state policy or action, though there is some suggestion of police inaction in resolving them.

           Fiji was and perhaps is a relatively conservative society, the privilege of forcing the pace of change does not belong to outsiders.
6. Draco T Bastard 6

   12 June 2016 at 2:40 pm

   Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Key’s diplomatic skills then.

   He’s doesn’t actually have any.

   What he’s good at is Kissing Arse which really only applies to those countries/businesses that are richer/stronger than us. He knows exactly what to do in those cases – give them exactly what they’re demanding.

   Give him a nation that’s supposedly weaker/poorer than us and he’s lost. Obviously Kissing Arse doesn’t work because they don’t have anything that he wants which is someone richer and more powerful than him being nice to him. And considering that he just doesn’t give a shit about how badly Fiji is being governed by a petty dictator he’s not about to lower himself and make nice while making some demands on said dictator.
7. Keith 7

   12 June 2016 at 8:54 pm

   Frank, take some advice from the master and do what we do in the National Party:

   If you have an OIA, then neuter it and completely abuse the process
   Lie
   Own the media
   Lie
   Have stooges throughout the media in all positions
   Lie
   Fund a smear campaign team and run it from your office
   Lie
   Fund anything else money can buy
   Lie
   Rely on the fact your public, dumbed down by a pathetic media, will struggle to concentrate for more than a sound bite.
   Lie

   Net result…….no need for coups!
   • Macro 7.1

     12 June 2016 at 9:05 pm

     Nah! no need for any of that! Just make sure there is no opposition, all press releases are run through the Ministry of Truth, and you have a standing army at your back to keep the peasants in line.
8. Macro 8

   12 June 2016 at 9:01 pm

   WTF was he doing there in the first place?
   Fiji is still a corrupt and dysfunctional state despite the so called election last year. There is no free speech as such and it is still in effect a military dictatorship. What has changed?
   Key’s visit would seem to offer some sort of legitimacy to the whole charade.
   • Katipo 8.1

     12 June 2016 at 11:19 pm

     I’m guessing he was encouraged to go there by the US who are more worried about the Russian and Chinese influence than the plight of the average Fijian. Bainimarama is the bitter kid with separated patents playing the West & East off againts each other, seeing how may presents he can get.
     • Anno1701 8.1.1

       13 June 2016 at 12:27 pm

       “seeing how may presents he can get.”

       quite a few by the look of it

       https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/22/secretive-shipment-of-arms-donated-by-russia-to-fiji-raises-concerns
   • Stuart Munro 8.2

     14 June 2016 at 5:29 pm

     Bainimarama has made some serious constitutional progress on chiefly and Indo-Fijian rights that was frankly long overdue. But he has Cromwell’s problem – how to transition from power without getting hammered. Free speech is not always the first priority in trying to re-establish a democratic state.
9. M. Gray 9

   13 June 2016 at 10:31 am

   John key said in Fiji ”Healthy democracy is being challenged by both opposition and the media thats what makes democracy stronger” but we don’t even have fair media representation in our own country.

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